Friday, May 24, 2013

Churches slowly blessing same-sex unions

Same-sex marriage? Perhaps it should just be called marriage, for isn’t that what it is?
A few years ago, when Knox United Church in Fort Frances voted to perform same-sex unions, it was a quiet event. And now the United Church in Emo also has taken the same step, with other churches in the district looking at taking the same route.

With these changes occurring, members of Knox United Church here discussed how they came to their decision—and how it has affected them.
Rev. Barb Miller, along with congregation members Rhoda Dickson, Ellen Anderson, Davetta Sheppard, and Janice Boneham, began by explaining there are two parallel processes when it comes to same-sex issues: one being society’s acceptance and the other being the religious component.
So as the United Church of Canada moves down the religious side, it parallels society’s growing acceptance.
Compared to other denominations, the United Church of Canada often is viewed as being more liberal and reflective of where society is moving.
They are not as dogmatically tied to a literal interpretation of the Bible, Rev. Miller noted.
“The United Church has moved to saying that the literal interpretation of the Bible is a 20th-century aberration, and that in no other part of the Christian history has it been interpreted literally,” she remarked.
Rev. Miller cited examples where the Bible says not to wear fabric blends, or not to eat certain foods. Nowadays, these rules no longer are taken literally because when used in the Bible, it was in a ritual sense.
“The rest of society has made a move from seeing things that don’t make sense in our world anymore, but for some reason some people hang on to those little nuggets that they think justify discrimination,” she argued.
So in the early 1980s, the United Church of Canada decided to examine the issue of homosexual ordination and sent study books to churches to gauge how they felt about the issue.
Eight years later, in 1988, the church made a movement to “decree that churches would be accepting of ordination of openly gay, lesbian, or transgendered individuals,” noted Rev. Miller.
“While they didn’t allow
prejudice to discriminate against the ordination of gays or lesbians, they did give congregations permission to say whether or not they would accept them on the pulpit,” she added.
“As the issue became more acceptable, it became more talked about, and people realized that they had nieces and nephews and grandchildren that were gay,” Rev. Miller explained.
“You realize that it’s not a big deal.
“The next big stage was when the legal court system did away with the definition of marriage being between a man and a woman, and that marriage had to be opened up to same-sex couples,” Rev. Miller continued.
“Prior to that, same-sex couples couldn’t legally share benefits, or have a say when their partner died.
“So in 2003, when the Ontario court dealt with these issues, that’s when the United Church of Canada again looked at the issue, but in relation to same-sex marriage.”
The United Church of Canada “empowered each congregation to make the decision at their level as to whether they would choose to do this or not. As a national church, they said they approve and support the marriage of same-sex unions.”
“We sent a letter out to the congregation explaining what we would be doing and what the national church had suggested,” recalled Anderson.
“There was a study document called ‘Of Love and Justice,’ and it was about same-sex marriage and it looked at different issues: from a Biblical perspective and as a justice issue, looking at issues of sharing a pension, sharing benefits—the legal side.”
“We had three workshops,” she noted. “There was the Bible one and the one where we looked at it as a justice issue.
“And then [for] the third one, we were going to have a lesbian couple come and speak, and then at the last minute they felt that it was too risky and distressing to them.”
This was a wake-up call for many members of the congregation, who had thought they were very welcoming and accepting and were amazed that people may not feel safe in their church.
Instead, they held a discussion on how shocked and sad they were that, as a Christian community, people did not feel welcome to come.
It ended up being one of their best workshops as people discussed their views and ideas.
Months later, the local congregation voted on the issue. While 76 percent voted to perform same-sex unions, it didn’t meet the 85 percent threshold needed to pass.
After more discussion, they decided that a 55 percent majority was more reasonable and the second vote passed with 57 percent approval.
(Since only church members present on the day of the vote were able to cast ballots, the percentages varied as people who may have voted to approve were absent the day of the second vote).
Although it is now five years later and the church has not performed any same-sex weddings yet, it is the process and how far things have come that is important.
And still, this is only one step in their “affirming process.” There is still changing terminology to deal with, other sexual minorities which must be given a voice, and other people who face other barriers in the church.
For example, male/female washrooms can be excluding to transgendered individuals, and small print bulletins make it difficult for people with visual impairments to follow along with the service, so they are working on resolving these issues.
It is an ongoing commitment, they say.
Rev. Miller said they aim “to help people recognize that we’re all children of God.”
“It doesn’t matter what we look like, what our race is, what our gender is, what our age is; we’re all welcome here,” she stressed.
Boneham said after they voted to perform same-sex unions, people realized it wasn’t a big deal.
“Things haven’t changed, people have mellowed out,” she remarked.
“Earlier when we did this, it was ‘scary’ and now people see that it’s not that different after all.”
“Because the church has been at the forefront of speaking against gays and lesbians and transgendered people, I think the church also now needs to move to the forefront of speaking for them,” reasoned Rev. Miller.
“The church has to make amends and say, ‘We were wrong to think that God did not accept you the way you are.’
“You are who you are because you were created that way,” she stressed.

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Good for Knox United; great

Good for Knox United; great for Emo!

Blessing Same Sex Unions

My "husband" and I just got married last week. We are a same sex couple. I think most of the 100 plus guests we invited to our wedding were expecting the event to be something different, a "gay" wedding. I believe we surprised them, as most people came away understanding that our wedding was not a "gay" wedding, but rather just a marrage between two people who love each other. It is nice to see that the world with all it's problems, all it's shortcomings and all its ways in which it discriminates against people is coming around to the idea that all of us - be we gay or striaght are people first.

What a farse.

What a farse! The Bible condems homosexuality. These churches do not even teach what is in the Bible anymore.

same sex marriage

But, as noted in the article, the Bible also condemns many other things that are no longer an issue. Why single out same sex marriage. The Bible states that eating shell fish, tatooing one's body, cutting your hair, all these are sins. Are these 'less sinful'. If it doesn't affect your life in any way, why not just live and let live? Isn't that more 'Christian'?

Eating shellfish is not good

Eating shellfish is not good for your body. Shellfish are scavengers that are meant to keep waterbodies clean. You probably wouldn't want to eat a seagull because it's a scavenger, nor would you want to open up your vacuum cleaner bag and chow down, for the same reason. I'm pretty sure you'd be hard pressed to find any doctor that would tell you a diet where you got your protien entirely from pork, shellfish, and scavenging birds is going to be very healthy for you. Tattoos are banned when you are "marking yourself for the dead" (Leviticus 19:28), in mourning, because God is the God of the living and not the dead (Mark 12:27), meaning anyone who believes in Christ is still alive with God in heaven and there is nothing to mourn about (though we do miss people greatly when they pass on). I'm not sure where the cutting your hair thing comes from, unless you are talking about the Vow of a Nazarite (Numbers 6), which was a completely voluntary law. Paul, the teacher that many people think taught that the Old Testament law no longer applied, actually took this vow, which was a voluntary law, in Acts 18:18, showing that he loved the Lord so much that he was even willing to follow laws that he didn't have to.

The thing is, Christians do

The thing is, Christians do believe that it affects your life, that's why we keep bringing it up. Some people persecute homosexuals hatefully because "the thief didn't come for anything, but to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: [but the Son] came that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." You wouldn't just smile and wave at someone who was heading for trouble if you truly loved them to show them just how much you loved them - you'd warn them. But we also realze that, at the end of the day, Deuteronomy 8:2 gives you the right to make up your own mind on whether you want to listen to what the Bible says or not. And that's God's honest truth.

same sex marriage

Sandra, you make the same mistake as Rev. Miller. What the Bible says must always be taken in context. It is true that not all the rules apply today. Parts of the Old Testament were written primarily to the nation of Israel as God's covenant people. He put rules in place that regulated diet and clothing, etc. especially for those people at that time. But that is not the case for all the rules and regulations of the Bible. The New Testament makes it clear that some rules no longer apply to Christians (like what you can eat), while other rules do still apply (like homosexuality). You can't just say it's all or nothing. You have to consider the context-what God is saying to who and why. Is it more Christian to "live and let live" in this life or to care enough about where someone will spend eternity to warn them of what God says?

Have you actually read the

Have you actually read the Bible not once did Jesus say anything about homosexuality being bad. But he did say to love thy neighbour like thy love thy self. So in retrospect if you think gays should not be married than you don't deserve to be married.

The bible also says you are

The bible also says you are allowed to own slaves, beat your wife and kids, stone people to death, has talking snakes, immaculate conception etc. If you want to believe in a book that was written thousands of years ago by a bunch of goat herders, where the main premise is that a cosmic jewish zombie wants you to eat his flesh and live with him forever when you die, thats your choice. Being gay isnt a choice and if gay people want to get married, good for them. It affects nobody but the people involved.

Leviticus 18

I don't really understand the argument being made above. The law in question is specifically placed in a passage having to do with sexual behavior. How can one of those rules just be plucked out and rationalized that "this is not made to be taken literally." If you were going to argue that, wouldn't you have to say that the rest of the rules in that chapter, banning incest, adultery, bestiality and child sacrifice were not meant to be taken literally either?

Regardless, the blood of Christ was shed to erase the sins of the repentant, also fulfilling what was written in the law. That's one item that I hope we do argue for literally.

Same-Sex Marriage

Jesus had no words on homosexuality yet was clear on divorce yet it isn't considered a sin and there is no condemation against them, so why would God exclude his children who have a sexual orientation in which they had no choice in, would seem like a cruel joke to me. Micah 6 - 8 says we are callled to act with justice, to love tenderly, to serve one another and to walk humbly with God. No where does it say we get to sit on God's throne and pass judgement on others. Jesus commanded us to love God and love our neighbours, and if we as Christ's followers could do this, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The gospels of Jesus Christ proclaim the good news, the Bible wasn't intended to be used to exclude or put down or stir hatred and violence. A survey of non-christians found the following as there view of christians - 1. homophobic, 2. judgemental and 3. hyprocritical. Isn't that a wonderful light to send out to a world in a need of Jesus the Christ. But things are getting better and people are getting educated and we will get there. Thank God for the United Church of Canada.